The Chad & Cheese Podcast

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Everything people and workforce—recruiting, marketing, technology, talent management, and workforce economics—delivered with biting sarcasm and unapologetic snark. Industry misfits Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman bring their no-holds-barred opinions to dissect news, trends, and the occasional dumpster fire. If you’re a hiring company, staffing firm, or vendor looking for insights (and a thick skin), these two won’t just tell you what’s happening—they’ll tell you why you’re probably doing it wrong. Buckle up, buttercup.

Recent Episodes
  • CareerBuilder + Monster: End of an Era?
    Jun 13, 2025 – 55:49
  • Shredded: CareerBuilder, Monster, SeekOut, Indeed, Sintra, ai.work, Deel, & More
    Jun 12, 2025 – 06:16
  • Builder.ai Dies & Parloa Lives
    Jun 11, 2025 – 48:15
  • Why HR Doesn't—Can't—Work with Jordan Birnbaum
    Jun 9, 2025 – 30:47
  • Indeed Ejection
    Jun 6, 2025 – 54:29
  • Shredded: Indeed, Daxtra, Deel, Vangst, Ehave, WedgeHR, UKG, & More
    Jun 5, 2025 – 05:40
  • Compliance Chaos in 2025 w/ Jeremy Mancheski
    Jun 3, 2025 – 25:43
  • Recruiting Disaster or Draft Slide?
    May 30, 2025 – 45:28
  • Shredded: iCIMS, Employ Inc., Kota, Workday, Spott, DEI, and More
    May 29, 2025 – 05:02
  • Inside DEI Backlash with Dr. Poornima Luthra
    May 27, 2025 – 35:36
  • Walmart's Eating AwardCo's Unicorns?
    May 23, 2025 – 58:05
  • Shredded: Miter, Freelance.com, Emerge Tech, Flo Recruit, Awardco, Babbel, WorkGenius, & More
    May 22, 2025 – 05:46
  • Where Did Equity Go? with Dr. Joel A. Davis
    May 20, 2025 – 42:44
  • People Push Back Against AI-First Workplaces
    May 16, 2025 – 54:34
  • Shredded: DHI Group, Linkedin, Rippling, Recruit Holdings, Zip Recruiter, Ravio, S4labour and More
    May 15, 2025 – 06:41
  • Money Can't Buy Me Love
    May 13, 2025 – 29:31
  • Vegas Chaos Unleashed
    May 9, 2025 – 27:21
  • Shredded: Humly, Future Education, Appcast, Skillvue, Upwork, BrandLink, StackOne and More
    May 8, 2025 – 05:41
  • The Human Hiring Touch with Terry Baker
    May 6, 2025 – 26:42
  • Rippling v Deel: Over the Top
    May 2, 2025 – 52:57
  • Shredded: Deel, Rippling, TeamOhana, WorkBuzz, Toku, Liquifi, Survale and More
    May 1, 2025 – 07:27
  • Spain Listens to Reagan
    Apr 30, 2025 – 44:59
  • Tariffs: Small Business Impact with Beth Benike
    Apr 28, 2025 – 33:24
  • Indeed Drops, Big Tech Flops and the AI War Machine Pops
    Apr 25, 2025 – 47:43
  • Shredded: Vizzy, PeopleForce, Indeed, Darwinbox, Adecco Group, HelloSky, Salsa, and More
    Apr 24, 2025 – 06:20
  • It's LinkedIn's World ... with Alex Fourlis
    Apr 22, 2025 – 31:45
  • Indeed’s Midlife Crisis
    Apr 18, 2025 – 57:12
  • Shredded: Jobandtalent, Rippling, Deel, Linkedin, HireRight, ClearChecks, OnlyFans & More
    Apr 17, 2025 – 06:56
  • Back To the Future with Monster.com Founder Jeff Taylor
    Apr 15, 2025 – 53:14
  • Rippling Raises while Deel Staff Exits
    Apr 11, 2025 – 58:14
  • Shredded: Workday, Shopify, Dosen.io, Deel, Rippling, Artisan, Linkedin & More
    Apr 10, 2025 – 05:36
  • EUROPE: Salesforce Slowly Eating Adecco’s Lunch
    Apr 8, 2025 – 47:08
  • Deel Spy Games Extended Cut
    Apr 4, 2025 – 01:06:10
  • Shredded: LinkedIn, Craigslist, Ribbon, All Gravy, Ethos, Marit Health, Qneiform & More
    Apr 3, 2025 – 07:14
  • Return to Office is BS with Dr. Jessica Kriegel
    Apr 1, 2025 – 41:36
  • Indeed Tanks & Starbucks Forces Joy
    Mar 28, 2025 – 46:22
  • Shredded: LinkedIn, Jolly, Lumber, Grayscale, Greenhouse, PeopleIX, Google Career Dreamer & More
    Mar 27, 2025 – 06:49
  • Personal Branding for Recruiters with Orlando Haynes
    Mar 25, 2025 – 13:03
  • Deel & Rippling Spy Games
    Mar 21, 2025 – 51:13
  • Shredded: Deel, Rippling, ZipRecruiter, iCIMS, Factorial, LinkedIn, Optimhire, Klarna & More
    Mar 20, 2025 – 07:42
  • EUROPE: Regulation, Randstad, and a Tech Rumble
    Mar 19, 2025 – 37:58
  • The Power of Diversity with Paige Elliott
    Mar 17, 2025 – 13:03
  • Deel’s Cash Cannon vs. Remote’s Slingshot
    Mar 14, 2025 – 47:47
  • Shredded: Deel, iCIMS, ZipRecruiter, Fiverr, Remote, Carv, Google, Recrubo & More
    Mar 13, 2025 – 06:57
  • Immigration Game: Trump 2.0 Insights and Impacts
    Mar 12, 2025 – 42:48
  • A New Era for Employer Branding with Ashten Fizer
    Mar 10, 2025 – 13:22
  • LinkedIn Has a Serious Gen Z Problem
    Mar 7, 2025 – 53:22
  • Shredded: Workday, Employ, ADP, Google, HeyMilo, Alta, Darwinbox, Helios, HiBob & More
    Mar 6, 2025 – 07:20
  • 2025 Vision Report for Talent
    Mar 4, 2025 – 30:43
  • Indeed Lifts Walled Garden
    Feb 28, 2025 – 52:19
Recent Reviews
  • Matt Lavery
    Best Podcast in the HR space
    Thank you to Chad and Joel for inviting me onto their show. They are professionals in their field, which made it easy for me as a guest. I thoroughly enjoyed our conversation and am excited about the future of the TA space.
  • Brooke Strauss
    Best “keeping it real and raw” podcast on HR!
    If you’re in workplace management, this podcast is a no brainer and a must listen! Chad, Joel and their guests provide practical and valuable advice in a fun and real way and cover so many topics from Linkedin to employee retention to AI. They are consistently thought provoking and insightful. Don’t think about it - subscribe now.
  • PSU fan in South Carolina
    New working title: Socialism and Cheese
    I give this podcast three out of five stars. That’s five stars for Joel. One star for Chad. And I only give Chad one star because every once in a while - and I gotta say these moments are very few and super far in between - he will do a market analysis that’s really good and insightful. However, 99% of the time Mr Sowash is spewing the mad ravings of a person who’s never actually run a business. He’s the smartest person in the industry - just ask him. In fact, this podcast made me realize the most urgently needed artificial intelligence app is one that causes this podcast to go silent anytime Chad opens his mouth. I would prefer that sweet sound of dead air to his unrelenting socialist insanity. That said, Joe Cheeseman knows what he’s talking about. He is a voice of reason and measured analysis of the complex TA industry. He understands branding and strategy and how to actually make money in TA tech. He walks the tightrope of appeasing his lunatic co-host while bringing actual value to the commentary. In other words, the man is a magician. Overall, about 50% of this podcast is worth a listen.
  • JPs Ghost
    Bringing the heat!
    Joel and Chad are great. You will learn and laugh.
  • zbrealestate
    Great interviews!
    Loved the episode with Hireproof’s Nick Barth!!! Enjoy the interview style from these guys
  • JLBMedia
    The Car Talk Of Talent Acquisition
    Very entertaining! 🙂
  • Wtaz78
    My addiction
    This is my go to podcast for everything recruiting. These guys keep it engaging, real, and hilarious.
  • RLaseak5
    Sorry I’m late
    Love these guys. Been hearing about them and now I’m in, sorry I’m late. Been in TA for 26 years and seems we subscribe to a similar mantra: while I take my craft very seriously, I never take myself too seriously! Got to laugh everyday!!!
  • pbpoet1
    Great interview!
    Insightful conversations, and right on the mark when it comes to identifying key issues related to HR. Best ones deal with workplace culture.
  • AwesomeMontana
    HR with humor what’s not to love?
    These guys make boring business talk fun and engaging? Who knew you could learn so much listening to the hottest secrets in talent acquisition and leadership! Buckle up and enjoy the ride with this awesome show!
  • rdgilby
    Finally a fun and insightful recruiting biz podcast
    I’m new to the industry so picked up a dozen podcasts to learn. This one is so far out front that the rest should stop and take notes. Seriously, great stuff!
  • chi-town Pete
    Keep up the great work
    Love your candid commentary and the fact that you continue to have regular content! Keep up the great work!
  • epg- bookish
    Pass
    I found on a list of recruiting/HR podcasts. Really tried to like but content not actionable with a paid for TV/ who will be sending me to sourcecon vibe. Chad’s tangents can be frustrating also. Not worth time.
  • patatl123
    Listen - Learn - Laugh
    Listening to the Chas & Cheese podcast is one of my favorite weekly diversions. They deliver great TA news and insights with just the right amount of respect and humor.
  • Chas2013467
    Great stuff here
    I look forward to new episodes, always learn something new.
  • Q Works Clegg
    Solid Solid Solid!!!!
    Refreshing. There’s not a lot of good content out there in Staffing/Talent. I just stumbled onto these guys and I don’t want to stop listening. Nothing out there like them. Well done!
  • Mr afternoon coffeeshop
    Fun banter, good coverage of the HR tech world
    Keep up the good work gents :)
  • cbcbrez
    Insightful, Informative and Hilarious!
    Hands-down the best Recruiting and Talent Acquisition podcast out there.
  • StevenRothberg
    I never miss an episode
    Funny, informative, and like catnip for talent acquisition technology solution providers
  • Jktcook
    Period Leave!?!?! What!!!??
    Love these guys! Great insight into all things HR, recruiting, and whatever is on their minds. Funny and thought provoking!
  • Chyrbiurgk48955
    Love this podcast!
    These guys know what they're talking about - even if you are not in the employment industry - it's relevant, informative, and entertaining.
  • Mac_samus
    SSG Mac
    I am ready for more!
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